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Monday, May 3, 2010

Enneagram Typing: Up Close and Personal

After writing about typing, mistyping, and stereotyping and asking Bea Chestnut to guest blog on the topic of Enneagram typing and the Enneagram subtypes, I decided to get up close and personal about why this topic matters so much to me.

There are people in the Enneagram community who seem to engage in indirect speculation that I can’t possibly be an Enneagram Two. I almost never hear this from anyone directly; it is almost always through another person who knows me well and gets annoyed or incensed on my behalf, then eventually mentions it to me. Why do people discredit the idea that I am a Two?

“She’s too successful and forward moving.” [Aha, she’s a Three]
“She has too much personal energy to be a Two.” [Aha, she’s an Eight]
”She’s not as warm, loving, and flattering as Twos are supposed to be.” [Oh, she can’t be a Two]
”She has very high standards.” [Aha, she must be a One]

Of course, these are usually people who don’t know me personally and thus have a limited frame of reference, yet they are so sure they are correct. At first, I was amused. As it continues, I feel more annoyed. Why do people care so much about this? What makes them so sure that they know my type accurately and I do not?

Upon first exposure to the Enneagram, I thought I was a Four, and although Helen Palmer wasn’t so sure about this, it seemed the best fit. After working with style Four development activities for 10 years, the Enneagram Four issues seemed to be melting away. Then in 2003, I met Claudio Naranjo. Over a dinner, I asked him this: “I’ve always thought I was a Four; what do you think?”

As his hand stroked his very long beard, Claudio said: “No, not a Four. You are too consistently warm – not the unpredictable warm-retracted Four dynamic – and you have an essentially sunny outlook. Plus, most Fours have a deep reservoir of anger, and I don’t sense that from you. Maybe a Two?”

The idea I might be a Two shocked me, and I had a panic attack. Not knowing much about social subtype Twos and having met only a few of them, I had not identified with style Two. My high level of discomfort and anxiety, which I rarely feel, got my attention that I needed to seriously consider that I might be a Two. I had never had this experience when I thought I was a Four.

Still highly anxious, I asked my then “boyfriend,” also an Enneagram teacher, if he would still love me if I were a Two. His answer, a good one: “I love a person, not a number.”

I asked my then 11-year old son – who has known the Enneagram well since he was six years-old and is an ace at typing people – what he thought, and this was his reply: “Mom, you may be a Four in the world, but you’re a Two to me.” As more panic set in, I saw my whole life in front of me like a movie. The child who had been free-spirited and happy and then… at age four, the trouble started.

Without going into great detail about the trouble, let me just say that I experienced just about every level of trauma possible from the time I was four until I left home at 18. Most of it was directed at me; some of it came more forcefully toward my siblings. At the center of it was my mother, a borderline personality with the charm and attractiveness of a movie star and the potency to create dysfunction wherever she went.

The Two child in me would literally not have survived in that household, and so it became clear that I retreated into a solitary place in the Enneagram; in Enneagram style Four, I could be alone, feel some feelings in a safe-enough environment, engage in philosophical pondering which was, in the end, my salvation. When I married in my early 20s, I became a battered wife; in the early 1970s, few people were aware of this issue. My then-husband once told me, “I love you so much, but if you stay with me, either I will kill you or you will kill yourself.”

This was my wake-up call, one that led me to pursue modern therapy, learn to be a Gestalt therapist myself, and engage in every development path that seemed fruitful; Rolfing, Psychosynthesis, the arts, tai chi, meditation, ashrams in India, and more. My colleague and friend Bea Chestnut refers to people who have engaged in serious and productive self-development work as “well-processed” and those who have not as “not processed.” In this latter category are people who have the knowledge and do the activities, but don’t seem to grow and transform from them. I always laugh when she says this, but wonder at times if I might be “over-processed.”

I am not perfect, that is not my pursuit, and I never think about it (no, not a One); I don’t like goals very much, have had one or two over my whole life that got quickly eliminated as something more powerful arose in it’s place, plus I really dislike marketing even though it has to be done (no, not a Three); and I don’t like conflict very much, will engage in it if I have to – which is seldom – and while I am intrigued by observing power dynamics, I rarely get into power and control issues with people. My current personal work has more to do with not repressing my anger than learning to manage its expression (no, not an Eight).

I’m more of a free spirit at heart, identifying more with a butterfly or a hummingbird than a bear or an oak tree.  There are other teachers in the Enneagram community about whom people like to speculate. Take Peter O’Hanrahan, who many people say can’t be an Eight because he appears so mellow and never seems angry. For those who speculate, I make this suggestion: talk to Peter directly and let him explain. And learn more about social subtype Eights with a Nine wing and a link to arrow Five. And learn more about Peter from Peter, not from your idea of Peter.

To end with a story: In a client group during a typing session, a man identified himself as an Enneagram Eight, but he had the highest voice I’d ever heard from a man, much less an Eight male, whose voices usually come from deep their belly center. At the break, we went aside, and I said this: “You identify as an Eight, yet most Eights I know have deep voices that come from low in their bodies. Yours is much higher. There may be a reason from your background and experience that explains your higher voice, though there is no need to tell me this story.” He said, “There is a reason!” We both smiled and left it at that.

Thanks to Bea Chestnut, Senior Member of the Enneagram in Business Network (EIBN), for her guest blog on typing, stereotyping and subtypes.

And to Peter O’Hanrahan, Enneagram teacher and Senior Member of the EIBN, who will be writing the next guest blog on the topic of Enneagram typing.

14 comments:

  1. Ginger, I am so moved by your blog today. I am thanking you from the bottom of my heart for your beautiful, wondrous honesty and courage in letting us into your very being by being so personal in your story (all the while keeping good boundaries ;-) What an incredible journey you have been on. "Over-processed?" Honey, you are like the little bear's porridge, "just right!" And you have become such a teacher and a model to so many of us. Your words, in this blog--but then again, always--are so profound because you take the risk of sharing your own story, and your own self, with us. So, again, I thank you!
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  2. PS Look at that cute little girl!
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  3. Thank you so much Ginger for sharing this, it's a powerful message for everyone who loves the Enneagram or even has an interest in it. I'm an avid follower of this blog and this is another blog that proves why it's an important place!

    I am a Social One, or at least that's what I've thought but lately I'm beginning to wonder if I'm really a Four who wishes she was a One. I'm encouraged to keep searching.
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  4. There are a lot of success Two's! "I see you!"
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  5. Hi Lara,
    We all have a story. Others assume they know our story when they meet us at a certain time period that is part of a bigger movie, then think they know the whole film!
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  6. Dear Liz,
    Thank you so much for your comment. It lets me know someone is out there reading and makes having written this very personal blog wholly worthwhile,
    Ginger
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  7. There was another post by Adrienne asking whether people need to take Enneagram classes to not mistype, but for some reason, it didn't get published.

    My answer is that people who do take classes do the exact thing described in the blog, so it isn't about taking classes. I think it's more about being motivated (for whatever reason) to speculate with such certainty.
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  8. Once upon a time a caterpillar ate each day a different and beautiful flower from a beautiful garden. After having tasted the nectar of the flowers, one day her mind asked (herself), what flower is that I like most? and suddenly fell asleep.
    The next morning woke up and she can't recognize herself... had become a brilliant butterfly.
    You are a beautiful and brilliant butterfly Ginger!
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  9. Ginger,
    Thank you so much for you blog. This is a real hot topic for me and the eloquence with which you presented it is appreciated. I think all of us who have studied the Enneagram in depth have speculated from time to time the type of another. It is when this speculation turns to insistence that it become dangers and can cause harm.

    As you pointed out our basic or core type is just one piece of the puzzle. We have to look at the effect of wings and movement to fully understand the different ways in which type presents its self. Other things we need to look at are the amount of work that someone has done on themselves and how self-observant they are. I am a type 8 with a very strong 9 wing and I am as self-preservation as they come. I have done a great deal of work on myself over the years and present much differently now than I did in my early 20’s. I also may present much different than an 8 with a 7 wing who is perhaps a social or one-to- one subtype. All of this must be taken into consideration and put into perspective when determining someone’s type.

    As Enneagram teachers, trainers, coaches and enthusiasts we must be mindful that regardless of our knowledge of the Enneagram we can never know another as well as they know themselves. The Enneagram is a tool of liberation and must NEVER be used as a mechanism by which to stereotype or judge another. When we do this we diminish the power of the Enneagram for self-discovery and personal transformation. To think that any one of us could know another better than they know themselves is arrogant to say the least.

    Again thank you for your blog and clarity.

    Sheila
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  10. Arturo,
    It is such a beautiful poem. Thank you!

    Sheila,
    Such a heartful response!
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  11. Thanks Ginger for sharing your personal history and perspective, especially your focus on knowing a person, being curious about them and the circumstances that shaped them rather than rushing to "knowing" their "type."

    Something I really value about your approach is your inclusion of not only type and subtype but also familiarity with (and access to) the strategies of both wings, stress/health points, and also our ability to adopt family or cultural type strategies as well.

    I like to introduce the Enneagram in this way, namely that we have ready access to a variety of strategies, and it takes help from others as well as our own inner work to assess where we need to create even more choice (and new practices) in our lives.

    Finally, thanks for putting yourself "out there" to help us all reflect on this body of work, on our biases, and on how we relate to each other within this community.
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  12. Dear Linda: Thank you so much for sharing your story: it was a great help to me in understanding why so many people, even highly perceptive people, are often surprised when I identify myself as a 2 -- "REALLY", they say, "I would have said you were a 7...or a 3...or a 4 (never a 5 or 6 however!) Initially I was almost hurt (so 2!) when these perceptions suggested that they did not understand me and then something interesting happened. When I asked them what they were, almost without exception they confessed that they were the type they had suggested for me! How could that be.....unless of course I were a 2! Again thank you for shedding some light on the reasons I too may show up apparently wearing different numbers for different people. Susan
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  13. Ah, Ginger, you express so beautifully who you are and share that greatness with us. Thank you so much, I am in the same "boat," as I experienced in Sante Fe with our group, most did not experience me as a "2" but I know within me that is the style I am. Much like you, I retreated my entire childhood and through a couple of marriages only to emerge through much self-development to who I truly am. Thanks so much for sharing, much love to you.
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  14. I just discovered your blog - it's very rich. This is a terrific entry about ennea-stereotyping. The things that people have brought up about you are superficial traits of point 2 that sometimes are expressed, sometimes not.

    One thing that struck me immediately is the resemblance of your adorable childhood photo with a very famous social two: Nancy Reagan (not suggesting you are like her!). Google's not helping me find the pictures of her that really ring the bell, but these come close:
    http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/photographs/large/H16.jpg
    http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/photographs/large/H32.jpg
    I'm always fascinated with the way expression of the types shows up in the face. You can also see the four inherent to the two.
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